Monday, April 14, 2008

Science vs Religion


I've been reading the biography of Henry Eyring, a Nobel prize-class chemist who was also a very orthodox Mormon. The title of the book is "Mormon Scientist". One facet of the book that fascinates me is the discussion throughout about Dr. Eyring's ability to reconcile science and religion.
"I have been announced as a student of science. But I also like to think of myself as one who loves the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For me, there has been no serious difficulty in reconciling the principles of true science with the principles of true religion, for both are concerned with the eternal verities of the universe.
And yet there are many people, and particularly among our youth, who regard the field of science and the field of religion as two wholly different spheres, the one entirely separated from and unrelated to the other. In fact, there are those in both fields who have done themselves and the causes to which they give their interests a distinct disservice in teaching that the two are opposed and that they cannot be harmonized with each other."
As a scientist myself, MS in botany, BYU 1976, this subject is of great interest to me (OK, I was a scientist 30 years ago and not since, but I'm still interested in science).
"Henry argued that apparent conflicts between science and religion are the result of incomplete understanding, an inevitability given our modest intelligence relative to God's. In the case of the creation of man and the Earth, for instance, he recognized the incompleteness of both scientific and religious understanding of the complex processes involved. He was sure, though, that however man and the Earth were created, "God was at the helm."
Dr. Eyring wrote this response to a person who had written him about a scheme for "dismantling Evolution once and for all."
"As a devout Latter-Day Saint the important fact for me is that the Lord is directing the affairs in His Universe, not exactly how He does it. Whether or not some organic evolution was used or is operating seems to me to be beside the point. He is infinitely wise. I just work here. If He told me in detail how He works I'm sure I wouldn't understand much of it. The effort spent on the crusade you envision would be better spent trying to understand a little better how God works. Sorry if we see things a little differently."
When asked by one of his scientific colleagues who was also a member of the church, "How do you think it was?" referring to the apparent problems with evolution and early man, Dr. Eyring replied "I believe whichever way it turns out to have actually been."

In response to another letter from a crusader with a scheme to defend religion against science, Dr. Eyring wrote:
"We are not told who Adam's father was. To me the important thing is that Adam is the spirit child of God. He came into this world when he received a mortal body. The Fall consisted of becoming subject to death, and everyone born into the world is subject to death and so partakes of this fallen state with Adam. Finally, through the atonement we will all receive a resurrected body.

Whether Adam's father lived on this earth or somewhere else would seem of secondary importance to me. Adam was the one whom God recognized as presiding over the first dispensation and as such, with Eve, his wife, became our first parents.

If God did or did not use organic evolution to prepare the bodies to house His spirit children I remain unconcerned. I think the scientific evidence on organic evolution, like everything else, should stand or fall on its merits. Being trained as a geologist, it answers many otherwise difficult problems for me, and I find no conflict with it and the Gospel."
This attitude of Dr. Eyring's reminds me of something Hugh W. Nibley wrote in an essay entitled "Before Adam". Hugh Winder Nibley was one of Mormonism's most celebrated scholars. The following is a quote from that work.

Do not begrudge existence to creatures that looked like men long, long ago, nor deny them a place in God's affection or even a right to exaltation—for our scriptures allow them such. Nor am I overly concerned as to just when they might have lived, for their world is not our world. They have all gone away long before our people ever appeared. God assigned them their proper times and functions, as he has given me mine—a full-time job that admonishes me to remember his words to the overly eager Moses: "For mine own purpose have I made these things. Here is wisdom and it remaineth in me." (Moses 1:31.) It is Adam as my own parent who concerns me. When he walks onto the stage, then and only then the play begins. He opens a book and starts calling out names. They are the sons of Adam, who also qualify as sons of God, Adam himself being a son of God. This is the book of remembrance from which many have been blotted out. They have fallen away, refused to choose God as their father, and by so doing were registered in Satan's camp. "Satan shall be their father, and misery shall be their doom." (Moses 7:37.) Can we call them sons of Adam, bene-Adam, human beings proper? The representative Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks, and Romans, to name only the classic civilizations of old, each fancied themselves to be beings of a higher nature, nearer to gods than others who inhabited the land with them (and before them), or who dwelt in other lands. And yet they did not deny humanity to them. Adam becomes Adam, a hominid becomes a man, when he starts keeping a record. What kind of record? A record of his ancestors—the family line that sets him off from all other creatures."


If you are worried about how new scientific discoveries (which seem to occur almost weekly) may or may not have a bearing on some aspect or other of the revealed Gospel, a good place to get information about scientific discoveries and their relationship to the Church is the Foundation for Apologetic Information & Research (FAIR). FAIR is a non-profit organization dedicated to providing well-documented answers to criticisms of LDS doctrine, belief and practice.

Another very interesting essay by Dr. Nibley is "Archaeology and Our Religion". The continuing debate of Science vs Religion, with the particular science debating religion being archaeology, is discussed, with archaeology (is it a science or an art?) coming out looking rather ragged.

A recent article in the Deseret News shows how a seemingly small discovery can change an entire scientific outlook. Who knows when the next discovery will occur? Who knows how the landscape of scientific knowledge will change?


deseretnews.com



Friday, April 4, 2008
Deseret News




Humans in N. America over 14,000 years ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — New evidence shows humans lived in North America more than 14,000 years ago, 1,000 years earlier than had previously been known.
Discovered in a cave in Oregon, fossil feces yielded DNA indicating these early residents were related to people living in Siberia and East Asia, according to a report in Thursday's online edition of the journal Science.
"This is the first time we have been able to get dates that are undeniably human, and they are 1,000 years before Clovis," said Dennis L. Jenkins, a University of Oregon archaeologist, referring to the Clovis culture, well known for its unique spear-points that have been studied previously.
Humans are widely believed to have arrived in North America from Asia over a land-bridge between Alaska and Siberia during a warmer period. A variety of dates has been proposed and some are in dispute.





8 comments:

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

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richie said...

Mormons seem to have a love-hate relationship with science. One the one hand, they will decry science for asserting organic evolution, which is at least partly based on archeology, but on the other hand, they will embrace science that corroborates their faith claims, i.e., archeology in the Near East that gives credence to the Book of Mormon narrative.

Also, I think a large reason for the general Mormon skepticism towards science stems at least in part from the CES, especially the seminaries and institutes, which is by and large controlled by conservatives of the McKonkie/ Fielding Smith ilk, who were, as is well documented, generally antipathetic towards science, and who published very influential works that were fundamentally anti-science in tone. As opposed to the Talmage/Widstoe/Eyring school, who had very positive views about the relationship of mainstream science and the gospel. This may explain why Nibley forbade his children from attending seminary.

Anonymous said...

Richie you are just such a smarty pants! I had a funny dream about you last night, remind me to tell you...no you did not steal Parker this time

Anonymous said...

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B.P. said...

Well it's nice to have a closet metal head as a father in law! Guns & Roses did produce some awesome music back in the day.

Richie, I need you to dumb it down a bit :) I may have an MBA, but I like smaller words, LOL. I think you should start blogging so we can post comments on YOUR own rants . . . smarty pants!

Rick Wilcox said...

I found this very fascinating, especially since I finally completed Biology 1010 at the collegiate level (yeah, I'm pretty smart). My teacher was a level-headed scientist (though I'm pretty sure he wasn't LDS). Anyways, he often stated that learning Biology was "learning your genealogy". Throughout the class, it kind of blew my mind as we studied in depth the role of natural selection, and how nature has evolved over the course of millions of years. It seemed clear to me that, just as we are related to father Adam, so are we related to any benign plant or animal we pass by, if you go back far enough.

How you can just throw science out the window is beyond me.

Richie, the McKonkie/Fielding Smith era you talk of is interesting. Senate majority leader and mormon Harry Reid spoke last November and stated that he feels that leaders in that same vain (he mentions Ezra Taft Benson as well) taught, perhaps wrongly, too much about a conservative, anti-intellectual outlook. He also said he thinks the tide is turning, as more mormons are realizing that its easier to live the gospel principles and be a democrat than a republican. Also, you owe me $10.00

Roger said...

I made the above comment, in case you didn't know already.